Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Field High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Delete arguments based on non-notability not convincing. Sports prizes, notable alumni and a couple of good references do make the school notable. PeaceNT 15:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Field High School

Removed prod. Non-notable school. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 00:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: NN school (nor does it assert any type of notability). - Rjd0060 00:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per CSD#A7 "No claim of notability"--Victor falk 01:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Non-notable. —Signed by KoЯnfan71^{My Talk}_{Sign Here!} 01:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep school have won and also have a Famous Alumni which kind make it notable to me at least. and school have won Ohio High School Athletic Association State Championships which make it notable as wellOo7565 04:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article makes explicit claims of notability for the school in the form of sports championships and alumni, backed by reliable and verifiable sources. Above and beyond the clear consensus on notability of high schools codified in WP:OUTCOMES, the article for this school provides sufficient evidence to satisfy the Wikipedia:Notability standard. Alansohn 05:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - claims of notability are not limited to the generic WP:N test; let's keep in mind that that's a guideline. Article does make reasonable claims of notability. Besides that, high schools are generally considered notable by precedent. — xDanielx ^T/_C 06:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:Notability. High schools are certainly not considered notable by any kind of precedent, and certainly not by default. Sports championships are backed by a primary source, the school itself.Wisdom89 17:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as nn school. Eusebeus 18:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep — It's a valid high school and more than meets my criteria for notability. — RJH (talk) 19:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should the fact that a high school is valid be relevant to its notability? Wisdom89 21:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Nation states are generally notable. Multibillion dollar companies are generally notable. Sourcing is a proxy test for evaluating notability, not the determinant of notability. — xDanielx ^T/_C 04:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure there are "valid" teachers who are employed at said high school, would an arbitrary entry be notable then?Wisdom89 05:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not following what you mean... could you say it again? — xDanielx ^T/_C 03:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for my ambiguity. All I'm trying to convey is that there is nothing notable concerning this public school - it would be tantamount to just arbitrarily choosing an existing highschool or faculty member therein..which would probably lead us here - hence the original reason to consider the article for deletion.Wisdom89 07:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well... I think the rough consensus among editors is that high schools are generally considered notable, with occasional exceptions (such as "alternative" programs with very low enrollment that are officially considered independent high schools). Of course faculty members are generally considered not notable until otherwise demonstrated. I think Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Education describes the (sort of) precedent fairly well (though the 15% statistic is probably rather dated). —Preceding unsigned comment added by XDanielx (talk • contribs) 22:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've come across that section, but I suppose my interpretation of it differs from yours. After reading the first line, it makes me think that most of the time consensus isn't reached - and that this common tendency to nominate such articles for deletion indicates that the rough consensus is non-notableWisdom89 23:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just as with lawsuits, anyone can file an AfD. Absolutely anyone, for any reason, or none at all, can start the Articles for Deletion process, and they often do. The fact that there are those editors unfamiliar with consensus who spot a particular school that they have decided is non-notable, or the small number of individuals who willingly disregard consensus and still nominate articles proves nothing. The fact that the near complete precedent for high school articles is that they are retained is the definitive proof of where consensus stands. Alansohn 23:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep per RJHall. VivianDarkbloom 22:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.